Wow, Like a Cornered Wild Animal.
October 06, 2008 by: daveIt has just jumped up a whole level, of ignorance and violence. The obviousness of the McCain campaign choosing to start slinging the dirtiest of mud shows how bad it really is for the McCain campaign.
Not only do they feel they cannot win on merit, but they now have resorted to next-level-crazy statements and mob aggravation. In a McCain speech today, when he asked the crowd, "who is the real Barack Obama?" and a McCain Staffer audience member yells out "Terrorist!". Although some say McCain looks like he winked and nodded, I actually think he winched, meaning there is still at least a fragment of his soul left in that shell.
Later, when Palin was campaigning, she had a couple very disappointing thing happen. First, she mentions that she read the New York Times, and the crowd boos. What? First off, no one actually believes she read the Times, but frankly, why is it a bad thing if she did? I tell you, the movie Idiocracy is a turning out to be a precognitive documentary... But I digress. She of course brought up Bill Ayers, the radical from the late 1960's who was part of the Weathermen. This has been covered already, actually during the primaries during debates with Hillary, but the McCain camp feels they need to beat a dead horse. Speaking of dead... When she mentions that he was one of Obama's earliest supporters and was a domestic terrorist, the crowd again erupts in a big boo, with 1 distinct person yelling "Kill Him!"
First off, there is no context in which this is appropriate, and the fact that there was ZERO response from Palin, is a bit disturbing. But what's more is the fact that the secret service did NOTHING either. Now the question of course is if the guy was yelling in regards to Ayers or Obama, but why does that matter? To call for the murder of someone is not acceptable, period, and any one of the dozens of police and SS guys should have acted, but didn't. Great...
What the fuck happened to this country? Is the government putting something in the water that is making you people nuts and irrational? Seriously, buy a reverse osmosis
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Posted by Edgar on October 07, 2008 at 03:14 AM
“if the guy was yelling in regards to Ayers or Obama, but why does that matter? To call for the murder of someone is not acceptable, period,”
Lets see, to call for the murder of a TERRORIST is not acceptable even thought the terrorist bombs his own coutry, jeopardizing the lives of innocents. That’s NOT acceptable. But it is acceptable to bomb your country and terrorize its citizens if:
1. you go to jail
2. you become a professor
3. it was 40 years ago
“any one of the dozens of police and SS guys should have acted, but didn’t. Great...”
Some calls for the death of a terrorist. In America, a man ought to be able to exercise his freedom of speech. It should be ok to say that a terrorist who bombed this nation should die. That opinion is valid. Go and ask any body if they think a person who bombs their own country should die. Any person from any country. Most will say that that is an acceptable point of view I imagine.
Where is that ‘ACLU’ attitude?? If it’s ok for NAZI’s to march through a Jewish neighborhood in Chicago, then it should also be ok to call for the death of a TERRORIST.
Thought control as usual from the left.
Posted by dave on October 07, 2008 at 12:38 PM
@acceptable
No its not, in this context. When ayers was on trial, sure, now, no. Should the person who yelled it be gagged? no of course not. But the problem, as always, is context. Even if we assume he was yelling for the murder of Ayers, and not Obama, then it still is not acceptable from the standpoint of the supposedly democratic nation that we are. He was tried, and the results were what they were. The end.
Again though, I don’t know why you insist on implying that I think bombing anything at all is acceptable. I don’t in this case. However, I can give you an example where I am 100% sure you would be right there next to me lighting the fuse. If our government instituted forced conscription without benefit. Or, if our government was to install cameras in all of our homes so they could “watch us” 24/7. Or if our government was to start telling you that you HAD to pray to flying spaghetti monster. It’s context, and the context of the time, for the majority, was unacceptable. Again though, bombing as such, is very much a last resort, and I agree that Ayers failed in that respect.
@Secret Service.
No edgar, you are wrong. I do agree 100% that if people wanted to organize and have a rally to call for the execution of Ayers, then they should do that, and I would 100% support their right to. The minute one of them tries to act on their own however, that group loses that right.
In the case of the rally for McCain/Palin however, the purpose was not to call for the execution of Ayers, it was for the supposed purpose of convincing people why the should vote for McCain. When in the course of that “presentation”, you tie a Presidential candidate with a known past terrorist, and the immediate response from the crowd is to kill him, the question is who are they calling for? Obama or Ayers? If there is even any possibility that the call is for Obama, which in this case there is, then the SS and police should have acted. Any direct threat, or instigation of threat, should never be taken lightly. It was not an opinion, it was an instigation, in an unrelated setting. It is about the same as someone yelling in the middle of a movie “kill whitey”. God forbid someone is on enough drugs to act. The fact that you cannot see the distinction between between protest/rally/meeting and blurting out an aggressive request for murder, is a bit disheartening. I understand the desire to want them to be the same, but they are not. The ACLU attitude still stands, as does freedom of speech.
People in this country need to learn that although you can say whatever you want, you need to pay more attention to how you say it. Context is king.
I stole the watch
i STOLE the watch
i stole THE watch
i stole the WATCH
Posted by Edgar on October 08, 2008 at 01:40 AM
@"I stole the watch
i STOLE the watch
i stole THE watch
i stole the WATCH”
That’s not context, that’s emphasis
Posted by dave on October 08, 2008 at 09:05 AM
lol true, but i couldnt think of anything to support my argument other than that. close enough to make the point I thought though.
Posted by dave on October 08, 2008 at 11:03 AM
Oh and to update. There has apparently been enough noise on the tubes to cause the SS guys to make a statement along the lines of what I figured probably happened. Which was they deny hearing anything, and even if they did, the threat was not directed at their protective charge. But now that they know about it, they and local police are investigating. I figured they would, since after all, those guys take their job deadly serious, literally.
Posted by Edgar on October 08, 2008 at 03:53 PM
They should take their jobs seriously. Last thing we need is murder. I remeber when reagan was shot. Creepy.
Posted by dave on October 08, 2008 at 05:18 PM
I actually don;t really fault the SS guys, since from my understanding, they are trained to protect their charge, and cannot worry about anything else or anyone else. They basically have to develop a real time filter that allows them to ignore all the “noise” around them, so they can clearly see the threats.